Kimball Critique on Missional Church Doesn’t Apply to Canada

Dan Kimball, attractional church proponent, questions the effectiveness of missional churches in an open blog debate (in Christianity Today's - Out of UR blog). His basic conclusion, "where's the fruit"? Where attractional mega-churches pull in hundreds a year (perhaps thousands) of new 'converts', missional churches boast singles, and perhaps dozens of new folks. The missional church bloggers such as David Fitch and Alan Hirsch respond that the time for measurable 'fruit' is much longer because the missional churche exists in a post-Christendom environment. They'd also point out a key problem that the primary growth model for attractional church is via church transfers, folks moving from denomination/tradition to the cooler church in the 'burbs.

All this rhetoric is certainly interesting to read, but there's a sense the debate is comparing apples and oranges (missional v attractional). Both exist in different (although not entirely mutually exclusive, but close) spaces of time and paradigms so comparing the two may be unwarranted and perhaps unnecessary. Both exist, both have their successes in their respective paradigms, and as a result one is on the decline.

We can observe this decline in action in my opinion. I wish to assert that Kimball's entire argument against missional church does not apply in Canada for much the same reason why missional shake their head at the criticism--Canada exists in an age that's about 10-15 years ahead of most parts of the US when it comes to public existence in a post-Christendom world. (You can also capture a glimpse of the future for many US cities by watching the events in Canada.) Continue reading

Something Brews for a Renewed Calgary Church

There are rumor mills swirling about a new church specific to the crowds who live in Calgary. It seems the focus is not specific to a Downtown demographic, but a 'post modern, post evangelical, post church' community. I caught wind of the possibility and managed to track down their web site simply put as calgarychurch.ca. More details to come, let's see if they really are any different and bold enough to lead and impact the city Continue reading

Evangelical Denominations Don’t Get Church Planting

David Fitch, missional spokesperson, has his say on 'funding' missional churches.

Missional Churches in post-Christendom do not thrive after three years. - David Fitch

I found it funny because that's what I'm going through right now with a denomination who's stuck measuring church planters with a modernist framework yet demanding results in a post-modern world. I had to laugh, out loud, hard, because this mystery denomination pretty much still operates in the three year model, and if you aren't self-sufficient after three, good-bye, you're a crappy leader.

For more: http://www.kinnon.tv/2008/12/fitch---missional-order-church-planting.html

The Four Spiritual Laws – Old School Christianity

Time to Revisit Individual Conservative/Evangelical Christianity?

Here's a discussion through instant messaging between two colleagues discussing what one should do about a loud and disrespectful tenant. The first thought was buy him pizza but the response from Ro was he's belligerent and aggressive. The solution? Convert him, old school style. This is how: (Warning, post laced with sarcasm).

D says:
give him the 4 spiritual laws

Ro says:
cause that would work.

D says:
Law 1: God loves you and has a wonderful plan for your life....

Ro says:
yes. keep going

Ro says:
this is just so exciting.... Continue reading

The Persecuted Atheists

A little American village which seems to be predominantly Christian fundamentalist is apparently harassing the local atheist family. The harassment comes from Christian students, teachers, sports teams and stuff. interesting to think persecution comes from the other side for once!

Would this stuff come up to Canada? Likely not, cause either we're too polite or we have no Christian villages.

I wonder how the Jesus would handle this sort of thing?
http://www.glumbert.com/media/priceofatheism

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